My Current Impressions on Career Choice for Longtermists - EA Forum

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Book cover of "My Current Impressions on Career Choice for Longtermists - EA Forum"

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"Organization building, running, and boosting" aptitudes

Some longtermism-relevant aptitudes

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Business operations and project management (including setting objectives, metrics, etc.)
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People management
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marketing
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Events management
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public relations
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How to try developing this aptitude:
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I'm especially positive on joining promising, small-but-growing organizations
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good way to get experience with people management and project management, which are often very generally applicable and in-demand skills across organizations
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one of the best indicators of success would be that the people you work most closely with are enthusiastic about you and would give you a glowing reference
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In early career stages
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performing well is more important than being at an organization whose mission you're enthusiastic about
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Political and bureaucratic aptitudes

"Conceptual and empirical research on core longtermist topics" aptitudes

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even when one's understanding is a very "vanilla" or widely accepted story - points of confusion and uncertainty often come into relief, and one often can learn a lot and/or notice underappreciated points this way
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- [note::I often seem to be reluctant to share my thoughts on things for the reasons indicated here i.e. "I don't think my perspective will add many new things to the existing discussion/dialogue, so I'll sit back and continually read/listen to others' thoughts instead."
The reality is that by not sharing these "vanilla" thoughts, I don't open myself up to criticism, which is essentially for developing a well-rounded perspective.]

"Communicator" aptitudes

How to try developing these aptitudes:
How to try developing these aptitudes:
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A possible question to ask yourself: "What's a type of person that I understand and communicate with, better than most EAs / longtermists do?"
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- [note::Great question for thinking about your comparative advantage when it comes to writing/blogging/speaking.]

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think there's a lot of opportunity to build this sort of aptitude through independent work, such as blogging, tweeting, podcasting, etc
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greatest potential as communicators are those who find it relatively easy to create large amounts of content and connect with their target audience naturally
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"Entrepreneur" aptitude

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founding, building, and (at least for some time) running an organization that works on some longtermist goal
- No location available
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here I am instead picturing someone who is explicitly aiming to invest in hiring, management, culture- and vision-setting, etc. with the aim of building an organization that can continue to function well if they leave
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- [note::Now this is what I'm interested in (particularly with regard to management, culture, and vision).]

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Entrepreneurship tends to require juggling more duties than one can really learn how to do "the right way."
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relies on the ability and willingness to handle many things "just well enough" (usually with very little training or guidance) and focus one's energy on the few things that are worth doing "reasonably well."
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if there's no organization you have a burning desire to create (or at least, a strong vision for), it's probably not time to be an entrepreneur.
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"Community building" aptitudes

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bringing together people with common interests and goals, so that they form a stronger commitment to these interests and goals and have more opportunities and connections to pursue them.
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- [note::This is one of my focuses with EA Philly, so I guess I'm already working towards this developing this aptitude?]

Basic profile:
Basic profile:
Basic profile:
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Referring new people to resources
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- [note::This is me]

How to try developing this aptitude:
How to try developing this aptitude:
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if you start to build a thriving mini-community, I'd suggest looking for funding to transition into doing the work full-time, and looking into whether you can expand the population you're working with.
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On track?
On track?
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you're providing a space and/or service (whether this is a networking service, social space, discussion space, etc.) that a good number of people value and recommend to others; you have a strong sense of your target audience and the value that people are getting out of the space; and there are a number of especially promising people that are making heavy use of what you're providing.
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Software engineering aptitude

Information security aptitudes

Academia

Hybrid aptitudes

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For example, perhaps someone is a reasonably strong software engineer and a reasonably strong project/people manager, which allows them to contribute more as a software engineering manager than they could as either a software engineer or a nontechnical manager
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- [note::Me!]

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good to be open to building hybrid aptitudes, but also good to keep in mind that specialization is powerful
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ideal way to pursue a hybrid aptitude is to start with one aptitude, and then notice an opportunity to develop another aptitude that complements it and improves your career options
- No location available
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Quote

generally recommend pursuing multiple aptitudes at once early in one's career
- No location available
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- [note::I'm very susceptible to this. By default, I'm a generalist and need to focus on becoming more specialized e.g. doubling down on people/project management aptitude while easing up on developing technical skills.]

Aptitude-agnostic vision: general longtermism strengthening

How to choose an aptitude

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anyone who is successful and high-performing is likely having very high expected impact; anyone who is barely hanging onto their job is likely having less impact than the first two categories, even if they're in a theoretically high-impact role.
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Quote

"Minimize N, where N is the number of people who are more in-demand for this aptitude than you are." A more informal way of putting this is "Do what you'll succeed at."
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most good careers involve a lot of experimentation, learning that some sort of job isn't what one pictured, and changing course. I think people learn more effectively when they follow their curiosity and excitement; this doesn't mean that their curiosity and excitement are pointing directly at the optimal ultimate destination.)
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Some closing thoughts on advice

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So I want to close this piece by generally discouraging people from "taking advice," in the sense of making a radically different decision than they would otherwise because of their interpretation of what some particular person would think they should do.
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- [note::Good caveat. Reminds me of the following idea: "Most career advice is bad because the person receiving the advice possesses almost all of the information (say, 90%) while the person giving the career advice has only a mere 10%."]

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I'll also link to this page which contains a fair amount of "anti-advice advice," including quotes from me here (“A career is such a personal thing”), here (“When you’re great at your job, no one’s advice is that useful”), and here (“Don’t listen too much to anyone’s advice”).
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title: My Current Impressions on Career Choice for Longtermists - EA Forum
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!tags:: #lit✍/📰️article/highlights
!links:: career, career advice,
!ref:: My Current Impressions on Career Choice for Longtermists - EA Forum
!author:: forum.effectivealtruism.org

=this.file.name

Book cover of "My Current Impressions on Career Choice for Longtermists - EA Forum"

Reference

Notes

"Organization building, running, and boosting" aptitudes

Some longtermism-relevant aptitudes

Quote

Business operations and project management (including setting objectives, metrics, etc.)
- No location available
-

Quote

People management
- No location available
-

Quote

marketing
- No location available
-

Quote

Events management
- No location available
-

Quote

public relations
- No location available
-

How to try developing this aptitude:
Quote

I'm especially positive on joining promising, small-but-growing organizations
- No location available
-

Quote

good way to get experience with people management and project management, which are often very generally applicable and in-demand skills across organizations
- No location available
-

Quote

one of the best indicators of success would be that the people you work most closely with are enthusiastic about you and would give you a glowing reference
- No location available
-

Quote

In early career stages
- No location available
-

Quote

performing well is more important than being at an organization whose mission you're enthusiastic about
- No location available
-

Political and bureaucratic aptitudes

"Conceptual and empirical research on core longtermist topics" aptitudes

Quote

even when one's understanding is a very "vanilla" or widely accepted story - points of confusion and uncertainty often come into relief, and one often can learn a lot and/or notice underappreciated points this way
- No location available
-
- [note::I often seem to be reluctant to share my thoughts on things for the reasons indicated here i.e. "I don't think my perspective will add many new things to the existing discussion/dialogue, so I'll sit back and continually read/listen to others' thoughts instead."
The reality is that by not sharing these "vanilla" thoughts, I don't open myself up to criticism, which is essentially for developing a well-rounded perspective.]

"Communicator" aptitudes

How to try developing these aptitudes:
How to try developing these aptitudes:
Quote

A possible question to ask yourself: "What's a type of person that I understand and communicate with, better than most EAs / longtermists do?"
- No location available
-
- [note::Great question for thinking about your comparative advantage when it comes to writing/blogging/speaking.]

Quote

think there's a lot of opportunity to build this sort of aptitude through independent work, such as blogging, tweeting, podcasting, etc
- No location available
-

Quote

greatest potential as communicators are those who find it relatively easy to create large amounts of content and connect with their target audience naturally
- No location available
-

"Entrepreneur" aptitude

Quote

founding, building, and (at least for some time) running an organization that works on some longtermist goal
- No location available
-

Quote

here I am instead picturing someone who is explicitly aiming to invest in hiring, management, culture- and vision-setting, etc. with the aim of building an organization that can continue to function well if they leave
- No location available
-
- [note::Now this is what I'm interested in (particularly with regard to management, culture, and vision).]

Quote

Entrepreneurship tends to require juggling more duties than one can really learn how to do "the right way."
- No location available
-

Quote

relies on the ability and willingness to handle many things "just well enough" (usually with very little training or guidance) and focus one's energy on the few things that are worth doing "reasonably well."
- No location available
-

Quote

if there's no organization you have a burning desire to create (or at least, a strong vision for), it's probably not time to be an entrepreneur.
- No location available
-

"Community building" aptitudes

Quote

bringing together people with common interests and goals, so that they form a stronger commitment to these interests and goals and have more opportunities and connections to pursue them.
- No location available
-
- [note::This is one of my focuses with EA Philly, so I guess I'm already working towards this developing this aptitude?]

Basic profile:
Basic profile:
Basic profile:
Quote

Referring new people to resources
- No location available
-
- [note::This is me]

How to try developing this aptitude:
How to try developing this aptitude:
Quote

if you start to build a thriving mini-community, I'd suggest looking for funding to transition into doing the work full-time, and looking into whether you can expand the population you're working with.
- No location available
-

On track?
On track?
Quote

you're providing a space and/or service (whether this is a networking service, social space, discussion space, etc.) that a good number of people value and recommend to others; you have a strong sense of your target audience and the value that people are getting out of the space; and there are a number of especially promising people that are making heavy use of what you're providing.
- No location available
-

Software engineering aptitude

Information security aptitudes

Academia

Hybrid aptitudes

Quote

For example, perhaps someone is a reasonably strong software engineer and a reasonably strong project/people manager, which allows them to contribute more as a software engineering manager than they could as either a software engineer or a nontechnical manager
- No location available
-
- [note::Me!]

Quote

good to be open to building hybrid aptitudes, but also good to keep in mind that specialization is powerful
- No location available
-

Quote

ideal way to pursue a hybrid aptitude is to start with one aptitude, and then notice an opportunity to develop another aptitude that complements it and improves your career options
- No location available
-

Quote

generally recommend pursuing multiple aptitudes at once early in one's career
- No location available
-
- [note::I'm very susceptible to this. By default, I'm a generalist and need to focus on becoming more specialized e.g. doubling down on people/project management aptitude while easing up on developing technical skills.]

Aptitude-agnostic vision: general longtermism strengthening

How to choose an aptitude

Quote

anyone who is successful and high-performing is likely having very high expected impact; anyone who is barely hanging onto their job is likely having less impact than the first two categories, even if they're in a theoretically high-impact role.
- No location available
-

Quote

"Minimize N, where N is the number of people who are more in-demand for this aptitude than you are." A more informal way of putting this is "Do what you'll succeed at."
- No location available
-

Quote

most good careers involve a lot of experimentation, learning that some sort of job isn't what one pictured, and changing course. I think people learn more effectively when they follow their curiosity and excitement; this doesn't mean that their curiosity and excitement are pointing directly at the optimal ultimate destination.)
- No location available
-

Some closing thoughts on advice

Quote

So I want to close this piece by generally discouraging people from "taking advice," in the sense of making a radically different decision than they would otherwise because of their interpretation of what some particular person would think they should do.
- No location available
-
- [note::Good caveat. Reminds me of the following idea: "Most career advice is bad because the person receiving the advice possesses almost all of the information (say, 90%) while the person giving the career advice has only a mere 10%."]

Quote

I'll also link to this page which contains a fair amount of "anti-advice advice," including quotes from me here (“A career is such a personal thing”), here (“When you’re great at your job, no one’s advice is that useful”), and here (“Don’t listen too much to anyone’s advice”).
- No location available
- career, advice,