Doing Good Together - How to Coordinate Effectively, and Avoid Single-Player Thinking - 80,000 Hours
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These mechanisms donât only allow us to understand how to better work with others, but are also relevant to many global problems, which can be thought of as coordination failures.
- No location available
-
- [note::Global problems = Coordination failures
Similar to my assertion that climate change is an "information problem"]
Theory: what are the mechanisms behind coordination?
We still face a great deal of uncertainty about these questions âmany of which have seen little studyâ which also makes it one of the more intellectually interesting topics we write about.
- No location available
-
See this research proposal by Max Dalton and the Global Priority Instituteâs research agenda
- No location available
-
Single-player communities and their problems
Much of coordination is driven by trade â swaps that members of the community make with each other for mutual benefit. Weâll introduce four types of trade used to coordinate.
- No location available
-
Ignoring this responsiveness can cause you to have less impact in a number of ways.First, it can lead you to over or underestimate the impact of different actions.
- No location available
-
- [note::"It" = Single-player thinking]
Second, and more importantly, taking a single-player approach overlooks the possibility of trade.
- No location available
-
Market communities
One option to achieve more coordination is to set up a âmarket.â In a market, each individual has their own goals, but they make bids for what they want with other agents (often using a common set of institutions or intermediaries). This is how we organise much of society â for instance, buying and selling houses, food, and cars.
- No location available
-
So, much of this discussion about how to coordinate is about how to overcome the prisonerâs dilemma.
- No location available
-
- [note::How do non-profits focused on the same cause area overcome the prisoner's dilemma?]
If we generalise the prisonerâs dilemma to multiple groups, then we get a âtragedy of the commons.â These also seem common, and in fact lie at the heart of many key global problems.For instance, it would be better for humanity at large if every country cut their carbon emissions to avoid the possibility of catastrophic climate change.However, from the perspective of each individual country, itâs better to defect â benefit from the cuts that other countries make, while gaining an economic edge.
- No location available
-
How to avoid coordination failures in self-interested communities, and one reason it pays to be nice
Through coordination structures
Through common knowledge
The key problem is that market prices can fail to reflect the prices that would be optimal from a social perspective due to âmarket failuresâ.For instance, some actions might create effects on third parties, which arenât captured in prices â âexternalities.â Or if one side has better information than another (âasymmetric informationâ), then people might refuse to trade due to fear of being exploited (the âlemon problemâ).
- No location available
-
Likewise, people who start with the most currency get the most power to have their preferences satisfied. If you think everyoneâs preferences count equally, this could lead to problems.
- No location available
-
Through nice norms and reputation
Transaction costs tend to be low in large markets for simple goods (e.g. apples, pencils), but high for complex goods where itâs difficult to ascertain their quality, such as hiring someone to do research or management. In these cases, there can be large principal-agent problems. The basic idea is that the hiring manager (the âprincipalâ) doesnât have perfect oversight. So if there are even small differences in the aims of the person being hired (the âagentâ) and the person who hired them, then the agent will typically do something quite different from what the principal would most want in order to further the agentâs own aims.
- No location available
- markets, hiring,
One way to avoid a prisonerâs dilemma is to give power to another entity that enforces coordination.
- No location available
-
In some coordination failures, a better outcome exists for everyone, but it requires everyone to switch to the better option at the same time. This is only possible in the presence of âcommon knowledgeâ â each person knows that everyone else is going to take the better option.
- No location available
-
- [note::But how to incentivize knowledge sharing between actors (e.g. non-profits) who have similar, unopposed goals (e.g. ending factory farming), but ultimately vompete for funding?
Is it enough to simply setup a repository for people to contribute to? My impression is no - it has to be (1) easy to contribute to and (2) participation has clear benefits for all stakeholders]
Communities that coordinate have developed mechanisms to spread this knowledge in a trusted way.
- No location available
- knowledge transfer, coordination,
- [note::But what are those mechanisms and in what ways do those fail?]
In a community where you participate over time, you are essentially given the choice to cooperate or defect over and over again. The repeated nature of the game changes the situation significantly. Instead of defecting, (if reputation indeed spreads) it becomes better to earn a reputation for playing nice. This lets you cooperate with others, and do better over the long term.
- No location available
-
- [note::Participation in the EA community seems to have this same dynamic.]
Preemptive and indirect trade
Axelrod summed up the behaviour of the characteristics of the most successful algorithms as follows:7Be nice: cooperate, never be the first to defect.Be provocable: return defection for defection, cooperation for cooperation.Donât be envious: focus on maximising your own âscore,â as opposed to ensuring your score is higher than your partnersâ.Donât be too clever: or, donât try to be tricky. Clarity is essential for others to cooperate with you.
- No location available
-
We call one of these mechanisms âpreemptive trade.â In a preemptive trade, if you see an opportunity to benefit another community member at little cost to yourself, you take it. The hope is that they will return the favour in the future. This allows more trades to take place, since the trade can still go ahead even when the person isnât able to pay it back immediately and when youâre not sure it will be returned. Instead the hope is that if you do lots of favours, on average youâll get more back than you put in.
- No location available
-
- [note::Pre-emptive trade = Doing favors for others in hoping that they will do favors for you in the future
e.g. Sending resources/opportunities to people in your professional network]
Shared aims communities and âtrade+â
Going one level further, we get âindirect trade.â For instance, in some professional networks, people try to follow the norm of âpaying it forward.â Junior members get mentoring from senior members, without giving the senior members anything in return. Instead, the junior members are expected to mentor the next generation of junior members. This creates a chain of mentoring from generation to generation. The result is that each generation gets the mentoring they need, but aid is never directly exchanged.
- No location available
-
- [note::Indirect trade = Doing favors for others, so they can do favors for others
Trade that occurs within a community as opposed to between pairs]
we can see that pre-emptive and indirect trade can only exist in the presence of a significant amount of trust. Normal markets require trust to function, because participants can worry about getting cheated, but ultimately people make explicit bargains that are relatively easy to verify. With indirect trade, however, you need to trust that each person you help will go on to help others in the future, which is much harder to check up on.
- No location available
-
Pre-emptive and indirect trade can also only exist when each member expects to gain more from the network in the long-term than they put in, which could be why professional networks tend to involve people of roughly similar ability and influence.
- No location available
-
However, what about if the agents also care about each othersâ wellbeing, or share a common goal? We call these âshared aimsâ communities. The effective altruism community is an example, because at least to some degree, everyone in the community cares about the common goal of social impact, and our definitions of this overlap to some degree. Likewise, environmentalists want to protect the environment, feminists want to promote womenâs rights, and so on. How might cooperation be different in these cases?This is a question that has received little research. Most research on coordination in economics, game theory and computer science, has focused on selfish agents. Our speculation, however, is that shared aims communities have the potential to achieve a significantly greater degree of cooperation.
- No location available
-
- [note::Woah! "This question has received very little research" - this indicates that I might be able to feasibly contribute to this field, as it hasn't necessarily been explored in great depth (at least according to the author's perspective in 2018).]
Summary: how can shared aims communities best coordinate?
We could call trade when nothing is given in return âtrade plusâ or âtrade+.â Itâs even more extreme than indirect trade, since itâs worth helping people even if you never expect anyone else in the community to give you anything in return.
- No location available
-
trade+ can only operate in the presence of a large degree of trust. Each community member needs to believe that the others sincerely share the aims to a large enough degree. The more aligned you are with other community members, the more trade+ you can do.
- No location available
-
shared aims communities should also in theory be the most resistant to coordination failures.
- No location available
-
- [note::Yes and no - yes, the incentives to coordinate are greater than communities who don't share goals, but if there isn't a system/tool that facilitates effective coordination, it's generally difficult to avoid coordination failures. Whether or not you "fail" really depends on what you considered a "failure." In my model of the world, most shared aim communities are failing at coordination, despite their best efforts and the vast amount of technology available. What I want to figure out is the best interventions for solving these challenges.]
1. Adopt nice norms to a greater degree
Why follow cooperative norms?
weâve sketched three types of community:Single-player communities â where other peopleâs actions are (mostly) treated as fixed, and the benefits of coordination are mainly ignored.Market communities â which use markets and price signals to facilitate trade, but are still vulnerable to market failures and coordination failures.Shared aims communities â where members share a common goal, potentially allowing for trade+ and even more resilience to coordination failures, which may allow for the greatest degree of coordination.
- No location available
-
- [note::What other types of communities might have coordination problems?]
Be more helpful
Withhold aid from those who donât cooperate
Be more honest
Be more friendly
Be more willing to compromise
How to get better at upholding norms?
2. Value âcommunity capitalâ and invest in community infrastructure
What is community capital?
How can you help to build community capital?
The importance of the communityâs reputation
When youâre part of a community, thereâs an analogous concept: the ability of the community to achieve an impact in the future, which we call âcommunity capital.â
- No location available
-
Community capital = (Sum of individual career capital) * (Coordination ability)
- No location available
-
- [note::This seems like a useful framework. I want to increase coordination ability to increase community capital (and thus, capacity for impact)]
Setting up community infrastructure
Summary on community capital
3. Take the portfolio approach
Introducing the approach
Be more willing to specialise
When coordinating, increasing community capital can become a key goal. Individuals can increase community capital by:Increasing its (quality-adjusted) membership.Increasing norm following.Improving community infrastructure.Improving reputation.
- No location available
-
Do more to gain information
As another example, the community may already be short of historians, who could study issues like the history of philanthropy, the history of welfare, and the history of social movements. In the long-term, weâll want almost every academic discipline involved.
- No location available
-
Spread out more
Whatâs more, becoming a trusted community member whoâs fully up to speed can easily take several years, and this makes it harder than it looks to absorb new specialists. It also seems like weâre going to need a lot of specialists, at least in certain areas and skills.
- No location available
-
- [note::YES]
Consider your comparative advantage
When deciding where to donate, consider splitting or thresholds
Consider community investments as a whole
Wrapping up on the portfolio approach
What happens when youâre part of several communities?
Conclusion: moving away from a naive single-player analysis
The amount of coordination thatâs possible depends on how effective the communityâs infrastructure and norms are, and how well aligned you are with its aims.
- No location available
- favorite, coordination, collaboration,
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title: Doing Good Together - How to Coordinate Effectively, and Avoid Single-Player Thinking - 80,000 Hours
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!tags:: #litâ/đ°ď¸article/highlights
!links:: collaboration, coordination,
!ref:: Doing Good Together - How to Coordinate Effectively, and Avoid Single-Player Thinking - 80,000 Hours
!author:: 80000hours.org
=this.file.name
Reference
=this.ref
Notes
These mechanisms donât only allow us to understand how to better work with others, but are also relevant to many global problems, which can be thought of as coordination failures.
- No location available
-
- [note::Global problems = Coordination failures
Similar to my assertion that climate change is an "information problem"]
Theory: what are the mechanisms behind coordination?
We still face a great deal of uncertainty about these questions âmany of which have seen little studyâ which also makes it one of the more intellectually interesting topics we write about.
- No location available
-
See this research proposal by Max Dalton and the Global Priority Instituteâs research agenda
- No location available
-
Single-player communities and their problems
Much of coordination is driven by trade â swaps that members of the community make with each other for mutual benefit. Weâll introduce four types of trade used to coordinate.
- No location available
-
Ignoring this responsiveness can cause you to have less impact in a number of ways.First, it can lead you to over or underestimate the impact of different actions.
- No location available
-
- [note::"It" = Single-player thinking]
Second, and more importantly, taking a single-player approach overlooks the possibility of trade.
- No location available
-
Market communities
One option to achieve more coordination is to set up a âmarket.â In a market, each individual has their own goals, but they make bids for what they want with other agents (often using a common set of institutions or intermediaries). This is how we organise much of society â for instance, buying and selling houses, food, and cars.
- No location available
-
So, much of this discussion about how to coordinate is about how to overcome the prisonerâs dilemma.
- No location available
-
- [note::How do non-profits focused on the same cause area overcome the prisoner's dilemma?]
If we generalise the prisonerâs dilemma to multiple groups, then we get a âtragedy of the commons.â These also seem common, and in fact lie at the heart of many key global problems.For instance, it would be better for humanity at large if every country cut their carbon emissions to avoid the possibility of catastrophic climate change.However, from the perspective of each individual country, itâs better to defect â benefit from the cuts that other countries make, while gaining an economic edge.
- No location available
-
How to avoid coordination failures in self-interested communities, and one reason it pays to be nice
Through coordination structures
Through common knowledge
The key problem is that market prices can fail to reflect the prices that would be optimal from a social perspective due to âmarket failuresâ.For instance, some actions might create effects on third parties, which arenât captured in prices â âexternalities.â Or if one side has better information than another (âasymmetric informationâ), then people might refuse to trade due to fear of being exploited (the âlemon problemâ).
- No location available
-
Likewise, people who start with the most currency get the most power to have their preferences satisfied. If you think everyoneâs preferences count equally, this could lead to problems.
- No location available
-
Through nice norms and reputation
Transaction costs tend to be low in large markets for simple goods (e.g. apples, pencils), but high for complex goods where itâs difficult to ascertain their quality, such as hiring someone to do research or management. In these cases, there can be large principal-agent problems. The basic idea is that the hiring manager (the âprincipalâ) doesnât have perfect oversight. So if there are even small differences in the aims of the person being hired (the âagentâ) and the person who hired them, then the agent will typically do something quite different from what the principal would most want in order to further the agentâs own aims.
- No location available
- markets, hiring,
One way to avoid a prisonerâs dilemma is to give power to another entity that enforces coordination.
- No location available
-
In some coordination failures, a better outcome exists for everyone, but it requires everyone to switch to the better option at the same time. This is only possible in the presence of âcommon knowledgeâ â each person knows that everyone else is going to take the better option.
- No location available
-
- [note::But how to incentivize knowledge sharing between actors (e.g. non-profits) who have similar, unopposed goals (e.g. ending factory farming), but ultimately vompete for funding?
Is it enough to simply setup a repository for people to contribute to? My impression is no - it has to be (1) easy to contribute to and (2) participation has clear benefits for all stakeholders]
Communities that coordinate have developed mechanisms to spread this knowledge in a trusted way.
- No location available
- knowledge transfer, coordination,
- [note::But what are those mechanisms and in what ways do those fail?]
In a community where you participate over time, you are essentially given the choice to cooperate or defect over and over again. The repeated nature of the game changes the situation significantly. Instead of defecting, (if reputation indeed spreads) it becomes better to earn a reputation for playing nice. This lets you cooperate with others, and do better over the long term.
- No location available
-
- [note::Participation in the EA community seems to have this same dynamic.]
Preemptive and indirect trade
Axelrod summed up the behaviour of the characteristics of the most successful algorithms as follows:7Be nice: cooperate, never be the first to defect.Be provocable: return defection for defection, cooperation for cooperation.Donât be envious: focus on maximising your own âscore,â as opposed to ensuring your score is higher than your partnersâ.Donât be too clever: or, donât try to be tricky. Clarity is essential for others to cooperate with you.
- No location available
-
We call one of these mechanisms âpreemptive trade.â In a preemptive trade, if you see an opportunity to benefit another community member at little cost to yourself, you take it. The hope is that they will return the favour in the future. This allows more trades to take place, since the trade can still go ahead even when the person isnât able to pay it back immediately and when youâre not sure it will be returned. Instead the hope is that if you do lots of favours, on average youâll get more back than you put in.
- No location available
-
- [note::Pre-emptive trade = Doing favors for others in hoping that they will do favors for you in the future
e.g. Sending resources/opportunities to people in your professional network]
Shared aims communities and âtrade+â
Going one level further, we get âindirect trade.â For instance, in some professional networks, people try to follow the norm of âpaying it forward.â Junior members get mentoring from senior members, without giving the senior members anything in return. Instead, the junior members are expected to mentor the next generation of junior members. This creates a chain of mentoring from generation to generation. The result is that each generation gets the mentoring they need, but aid is never directly exchanged.
- No location available
-
- [note::Indirect trade = Doing favors for others, so they can do favors for others
Trade that occurs within a community as opposed to between pairs]
we can see that pre-emptive and indirect trade can only exist in the presence of a significant amount of trust. Normal markets require trust to function, because participants can worry about getting cheated, but ultimately people make explicit bargains that are relatively easy to verify. With indirect trade, however, you need to trust that each person you help will go on to help others in the future, which is much harder to check up on.
- No location available
-
Pre-emptive and indirect trade can also only exist when each member expects to gain more from the network in the long-term than they put in, which could be why professional networks tend to involve people of roughly similar ability and influence.
- No location available
-
However, what about if the agents also care about each othersâ wellbeing, or share a common goal? We call these âshared aimsâ communities. The effective altruism community is an example, because at least to some degree, everyone in the community cares about the common goal of social impact, and our definitions of this overlap to some degree. Likewise, environmentalists want to protect the environment, feminists want to promote womenâs rights, and so on. How might cooperation be different in these cases?This is a question that has received little research. Most research on coordination in economics, game theory and computer science, has focused on selfish agents. Our speculation, however, is that shared aims communities have the potential to achieve a significantly greater degree of cooperation.
- No location available
-
- [note::Woah! "This question has received very little research" - this indicates that I might be able to feasibly contribute to this field, as it hasn't necessarily been explored in great depth (at least according to the author's perspective in 2018).]
Summary: how can shared aims communities best coordinate?
We could call trade when nothing is given in return âtrade plusâ or âtrade+.â Itâs even more extreme than indirect trade, since itâs worth helping people even if you never expect anyone else in the community to give you anything in return.
- No location available
-
trade+ can only operate in the presence of a large degree of trust. Each community member needs to believe that the others sincerely share the aims to a large enough degree. The more aligned you are with other community members, the more trade+ you can do.
- No location available
-
shared aims communities should also in theory be the most resistant to coordination failures.
- No location available
-
- [note::Yes and no - yes, the incentives to coordinate are greater than communities who don't share goals, but if there isn't a system/tool that facilitates effective coordination, it's generally difficult to avoid coordination failures. Whether or not you "fail" really depends on what you considered a "failure." In my model of the world, most shared aim communities are failing at coordination, despite their best efforts and the vast amount of technology available. What I want to figure out is the best interventions for solving these challenges.]
1. Adopt nice norms to a greater degree
Why follow cooperative norms?
weâve sketched three types of community:Single-player communities â where other peopleâs actions are (mostly) treated as fixed, and the benefits of coordination are mainly ignored.Market communities â which use markets and price signals to facilitate trade, but are still vulnerable to market failures and coordination failures.Shared aims communities â where members share a common goal, potentially allowing for trade+ and even more resilience to coordination failures, which may allow for the greatest degree of coordination.
- No location available
-
- [note::What other types of communities might have coordination problems?]
Be more helpful
Withhold aid from those who donât cooperate
Be more honest
Be more friendly
Be more willing to compromise
How to get better at upholding norms?
2. Value âcommunity capitalâ and invest in community infrastructure
What is community capital?
How can you help to build community capital?
The importance of the communityâs reputation
When youâre part of a community, thereâs an analogous concept: the ability of the community to achieve an impact in the future, which we call âcommunity capital.â
- No location available
-
Community capital = (Sum of individual career capital) * (Coordination ability)
- No location available
-
- [note::This seems like a useful framework. I want to increase coordination ability to increase community capital (and thus, capacity for impact)]
Setting up community infrastructure
Summary on community capital
3. Take the portfolio approach
Introducing the approach
Be more willing to specialise
When coordinating, increasing community capital can become a key goal. Individuals can increase community capital by:Increasing its (quality-adjusted) membership.Increasing norm following.Improving community infrastructure.Improving reputation.
- No location available
-
Do more to gain information
As another example, the community may already be short of historians, who could study issues like the history of philanthropy, the history of welfare, and the history of social movements. In the long-term, weâll want almost every academic discipline involved.
- No location available
-
Spread out more
Whatâs more, becoming a trusted community member whoâs fully up to speed can easily take several years, and this makes it harder than it looks to absorb new specialists. It also seems like weâre going to need a lot of specialists, at least in certain areas and skills.
- No location available
-
- [note::YES]
Consider your comparative advantage
When deciding where to donate, consider splitting or thresholds
Consider community investments as a whole
Wrapping up on the portfolio approach
What happens when youâre part of several communities?
Conclusion: moving away from a naive single-player analysis
The amount of coordination thatâs possible depends on how effective the communityâs infrastructure and norms are, and how well aligned you are with its aims.
- No location available
- favorite, coordination, collaboration,